Jumping the gun
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We currently have the following rules:
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14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee’s
whistle.
14C.2.6 General:
If the teams start to play even though the game had not been started by
the Referee, it is stopped immediately by two or more quick consecutive
blows of the whistle.
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I think it would be good to move the sentence from 14C.2.6 into the
section 14B.8.5.
The current rules do not mention how to continue. We need to add this.
The obvious options are A) repetition and B) penalize the team that
didn't wait for the whistle.
In my experience, starting before the whistle mostly occurs when a team
is in a hurry. The repetition will take some time so in my opinion this
is punishment enough.
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If we are looking at stipulating what to do if the attacking team crosses before the whistle should we also stipulate what happens if the DEFENDING team crosses before the attacking team does?
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Yes, indeed, we need to define a rule for the defending team as well as
for the attacking team. In addition, we not only need a rule for
crossing the centerline after a goal but also for all other restarts of
the game: free shot, 6.5 m, and penalty shootout. Since it is always the
team that is in a hurry which starts before the whistle, I think that
repetition is suitable in all cases. The repetition will take some time
so it should be punishment enough.
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I agree that the early start by a team that has the possession should be replayed.
I believe to keep it fair early start by the defending team should also be replayed.
The referee always has a decision to penalise for time wasting if he believes it is deliberate (or it happens repeatedly)
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Any other comments?
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@Rolf: "...but also for all other restarts of the game: free shot, 6.5 m, and penalty shootout. Since it is always the team that is in a hurry which starts before the whistle, I think that repetition is suitable in all cases. ..."
A penalty shootout is no matter in combination with a team in a harry.
The discussion "Free Shot II Clarification" is ongoing (For the moment "repetition" only in case of corner shot or goalies ball.)
The discussions "6.5 M Clarification" and "6.5 M Clarification II" are not finalised.
If we say as well in this case the game resumes with a free shot. (For the moment in the discussion "Free Shot II Clarification" this violation (to early crossing the centre line) has to be punished with a free shot from the place the violation was done.
I get the feeling we scatter around with our good ideas and valuable comments in different discussions and this is hard for me to follow and get it sorted.
Maybe we should close some discussions and open formal new discussions with the summaries so far. E.g. The current discussions "6.5 M Clarification" (from Nicolai) (upper half of 14B.7.2) and "6.5 M Clarification II" (from Herbert) (lower half) should be closed. A new "14B.7.2 6.5 M Clarification"-discussion should be opened.
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I think a early start by the team in possession should be replayed.
If the defending team starts to early (crosses the center line) I would apply the advantage rule or then give a free shot at the place where the violation was done.
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> If the defending team starts to early (crosses the center line) I
> would apply the advantage rule or then give a free shot at the place
> where the violation was done.
At the time when the defending team crosses the center line too early,
the attacking team is still waiting for the whistle that starts the
game. It is unlikely that this could be an advantage for the attacking
team. Another problem is the time. When should the timer start the time
when there is no whistle at all?
Giving a free shot at the center line to the attacking team would be a
fair regulation but it is not very different from a replay. I think
creating a new rule makes the rulebook unnecessarily complicated.
I still think that a "always a replay" is a simple and clean rule which
is suitable for all situations.
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Always a replay works for me. I think it is unfair that one team gets penalised for doing something while the other team gets another chance.
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That's true. Revisiting this question I agree with alway doing a replay.
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Here is a suggestion for the proposal:
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OLD:
14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee’s
whistle.
14C.2.6 General
If the teams start to play even though the game had not been started by
the Referee, it is stopped immediately by two or more quick consecutive
blows of the whistle.
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NEW:
14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee’s
whistle. If a team starts to play even though the game had not been
started by the Referee, it is stopped immediately by two or more quick
consecutive blows of the whistle. Then, the previous action is repeated.
14C.2.6 General
(remove the corresponding paragraph from this section)
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14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee’s whistle. If a team starts to play before the Referee's whistle, it is stopped immediately by two or more quick consecutive blows of the whistle. Then, the previous Referee ruling is repeated.
?? Changes in bold
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Sounds better for me. I agree.
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I agree with Steven's latest text suggestion, and I would like to turn
this into a proposal soon:
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OLD:
14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee’s
whistle.
14C.2.6 General
If the teams start to play even though the game had not been started by
the Referee, it is stopped immediately by two or more quick consecutive
blows of the whistle.
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NEW:
14B.8.5 Start and Stop
Starting and resuming the game is always initiated by the Referee's
whistle. If a team starts to play before the Referee's whistle, it is
stopped immediately by two or more quick consecutive blows of the
whistle. Then, the previous Referee ruling is repeated.
14C.2.6 General
(remove the corresponding paragraph from this section)
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Sounds good to me.